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will91jm |
Backflip so basic but need help! |
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I was wondering if you guys had some basic tips for how to do a backflip, sorry if it's boring but any help would be much apreicated, thanks!
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DragonfighterX |
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First of all, don't despair! I guarantee you'll be doing this trick in no time. It's actually very easy once you get the mechanics down and I think
it's one of the best looking tricks there is. It's impressive, but not overly showy, and it's very versatile as a gateway to or in combination with
other tricks. Plus chicks love it.
-Start off in a place where you feel safe jumping and rotating as high as you can. I used a gymnastics crash mat when I learned, other people use pools or trampolines (although I don't recommend those options because with the former you're not getting experience with the landing, which is vital, and with the latter the nuances of the takeoff are completely eliminated so you can be totally wrong and still do a backflip). The hardest part of getting a backflip is the mental aspect. You can't see where you're going so you just assume that you're about to eat dirt. That's why safety is important: just stop thinking about it and just do it, you most likely won't land it, but once you've done a couple and messed up and seen that it isn't so bad, you'll have the confidence you need to really hammer the trick. The initial jump in the takeoff is probably the most important part, so make sure you're thoroughly comfortable with your vertical jump technique before you start flippin' (knees bend, upper body bends slightly forward as hands drop down and back/knees straighten, upper body returns upright as arms are thrown UP). -To reiterate, the jump is probably the most important part. It's where the majority of your height comes from and with a good jump you can even do things like delay the tuck or add a spin or two, if your heart so desires. When you jump, make sure you're jumping UP, not BACK. Jumping back will negate your height and make you more likely to land on your face. Make sure you're jumping UP UP UP, same with the arm swing. Arms should swing UP over the head, like you're trying to grab the sun, not back behind. Your rotation comes from lifting your knees up hard to your chest and throwing your head back at the apex of your jump. The goal is to make your backtuck look like those old Shaw Bros. fighters, or the Yuen Biao jumping rope in Knockabout (watch the motion at :23). Just a smooth, tight, up and down, ideally landing in or near the same spot you took off from. -The tuck itself is, IMO, not as imporant as people usually tell you. It can definitely make the backflip look better, tighter, more smooth, and it makes getting rotated all the way a hell of a lot easier, but don't worry if you're not Samus right before your landing. I deliberately leave my tuck a little lax most of the time, as I think the kind of whipping motion looks a lot cooler and it helps my landing, but you should learn how to do it properly with the tuck before trying anything screwy. -It's hard to explain when exactly to open the tuck to spot your landing, but you generally have a sense of where you are in the air after a few times and you "just know." The landing can be kind of tricky because it's easy to under or overrotate, but with practice it will be as simple as scratching your nuts. Just remember: big jump UP, swing arms UP, pull knees UP, rotate like clockwork, spot, untuck, land. Sounds like a lot but it's a very fluid motion and it all naturally comes together very well. Give it some practice and then video a couple to let us see your progress!
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06/03/08 10:43:31.
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will91jm |
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wow thanks so much for all the help! tomorow im just going to put my matress and practise and practise, i've always been kind of scared to do backflips
but i think i want to do them so have to try! Hopefully if i can get a backflip i can try and leanr some more tricks and flips. Thanks again
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DevinWho |
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I teach gymnastics myself and the back flip is the one everyone asks for. Its highly recommended that you learn the back handspring first that way, in the case
you bail or hesitate, your muscle memory will allow you to use your hands to stop yourself from landing face first.
Heres a tutorial i made a LONG time ago. Funny part is I don't stick a single one in this. Id suggest also that you have atleast 1 experience spotter. Dont do that bs where 1 person bends over and u lean on their back. 1 hand should be placed behind the knee cap and a little above the bend, and 1 should be placed on the lower back. And they dont actually spot u until u start the flip. The tuck however is pretty important. Its not nessisary and chances are your gonna abandon it later. But it prevents injury, allows faster rotation, lets u get higher, and makes it easier. I had a bad habit of whipping my back and now have a perminant injury to my lower back. Haha I'm 17 and yet my back gets sore anytime I bend down or over use it. |
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RobP |
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Well, you've got a lot of info here so all that I'm going to add is this...
RELAX YOUR SHOULDERS!!! Obviously you need to jump up and use your arms to begin your backward rotation. Arms swing up and back (although you only jump UP and NOT BACK) and THEN you tuck your knees. Beginners will generally do an incomplete take-off involving jumping without throwing their arms all the way up and back and simply grabbing their knees straight away, resulting in an extremely low backtuck... or worse yet, landing on their head or face. So what you want to do is complete your jump with your shoulders nice and relaxed so your arms can whip up and back extremely fast and start you sotating. THEN you pull your knees up and in and grab them. One thing I like to do is simply stand still and practice throwing my arms down and up/back with my shoulders as relaxed as possible for a few minutes at a time as practice for backtucks and backflips. But that's because I usually have very tense shoulders... which is shit for both my gymnastics and Choy Lay Fut. |
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DevinWho |
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Expanding on what Rob Said. Thats the proper way to warm up to the tuck and get the form down better. Start by jumping as high as you can straight up and
throwing your hands up while leaving them in the air once youve reached your height. Make sure you dont travel forward or you've jumped wrong. And your
legs shouldnt arch behind you as if you were laying with your upper body hanging off a edge. Then once you can do that right. Stand on a mat or have someone be
behind you with their hands on your waist to keep you from falling and practice jumping up and bringing your knees up near your peak height.
You want to make sure you don't drop your chest down to your knees and you should feel yourself start to rotate back, thats good. Make sure your tuck is strong and firm. Dont just bring ur knees up and let them fly around |
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will91jm |
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Thanks a lot for the help! As soon as my ankle heals up i'm going to really practise this. I was wonderiong is it one of these moves that like when you get
once and then you have the confiedence to do it again and again. I heard a great quote from this stuntman called Alan Lee who said backflips are as easy as
eating!!!
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Shauntron |
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Did I see Thourn Heng in that video?
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DragonfighterX |
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will91jm wrote: Yes, it definitely is. In fact it really only took me about two failed attempt before I had the courage to really put everything I had into it. I was doing
them moderately well (for a beginner) by the end of the day that I started learning them. It's kind of like riding a bike too--when I was still kind of new
to "tricking" (ugh) I had like a month of vacation hiatus right after learning to backflip in which I didn't do anything, and when I got back I
tried one to see if I still could and just nailed it no problem.
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Something else that I don't think people said is: keep your eyes open! It really helps in taking away the fear of the move and helps with the landing. I
don't know if you close your eyes when you backflip, but I know I usually close 'em when I do "big" moves, haha.
-Greg
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