In honor of the release of 'The Dark Knight', I was wondering what everyone's opinion on the Keysi Fighting Method was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVWyqBdE5RI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVWyqBdE5RI
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Posts: 11 (07/22/08 09:11:21) |
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Posts: 2700 (07/22/08 10:20:53) Action Superstar! |
I noticed the awkward way Batman held his arms while fighting in BB and TDK, I guess this explains it. Seems kinda cool, but I can't say I'm too
impressed with it because all they showed was rehearsed demonstration. Anything can look combat applicable under those conditions. It just kind of looked like
Krav Maga with a lot of unnecessary movement.
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Posts: 7005 (07/22/08 11:26:02) Administrator |
I haven't seen Dark Knight, but in Batman Begins, Batman could have been doing Capoeira or Escrima for all I know. You couldn't see any of that shit.
Anybody have any videos where someone actually uses this stuff, rather than just these drills? Or is it one of those styles that's "too deadly for sparring" or whatever nonsense people give.
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Posts: 12 (07/22/08 19:46:44) |
I thought the fights in 'The Dark Knight' were a vast improvement, albeit still heavily edited. I'm not sure about the sparring potential, like
Dragonfighter said, there's a lot of unnecessary movements.
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Posts: 419 (07/22/08 20:12:19) Fall Guy |
As far as actual effectiveness in combat, I don't really care all that much. As screen fighting though, I still think it looks pretty interesting. However,
for the character of Batman it seems a little strange. Don't know why. But I'll tell ya, some of the stuff towards the very end of the clip looked
really cool, and I wish we could've just seen Batman doing the same.
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Posts: 1027 (07/22/08 20:25:55) Screen Fighter |
it seems they focus on this heavy use of the "shave block" elbow combo like you might see used occasionally in Muay Thai and Southern Crane Fist, and
other than that have random moves from very different systems. The indoor demo looked like Southern Crane, while the outdoor clip went as far as Capoeria.
Usually when people incorporate different styles I just prefer to call it Martial Arts or Combat Training or Movie Fu (or whatever generic term is applicable)
instead of inventing yet another new martial art name, but I guess they use those shave block elbows heavily enough to be it's own style?
And Eric, Dark Knight. Great movie. Choreo looks like it's pretty good. They choose not to let you see most of it.
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Posts: 2704 (07/22/08 21:06:44) Action Superstar! |
Eh, sorry, I'm just usually critical towards styles that call themselves "streetfighting methods" or "real combat styles" and such
because usually it's mostly bullshit. But, even as a movie fighting style I think it's a little awkward. They would've done best sticking with
non-fancy martial arts-based beatdowns, which is pretty much what they did, so no problems here.
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Posts: 1636 (07/22/08 21:10:21) Sidekick |
I didn't like it to popeyish for my taste. The whole movie seemed botched together to me and you know my tastes.
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Posts: 2377 (07/22/08 22:54:00) DONDE ESTA MI ELEPHANTE!?!?!?" |
weird that I actually just youtubed the same thing right before clicking on this link. I found the links to the entire behind the scene footage. I think the
fighting style deserves a movie of its own. It looks very theoretical, like many other demos I've seen, which assumes that once you've penetrated the
upper triangle you can just do all sorts of damages to your opponent. The theory and ideas seem as banal as a number of other old and new systems, but you have
to admit, it looks pretty sweet - almost like krumping - something that is almost graceful. I'd love to see fights that remain this close without resorting
to wrestling, but as an art it seems a bit pretentious if not commonplace. which is fine, if you train hard enough, I'm pretty sure you can whoop a lot of
ass with it.
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Posts: 2622 (07/23/08 16:50:13) Action Hero |
It really doesn't look new... it looks just like any other close combat fighting style I've seen... hell a lot of those moves I was taught back when i
took Kung Fu San Soo which is a fairly close range fighting style out of the Kung Fu arts along with Wing Chun. Basically to me it looked like a mix of San
Soo, Muay Thai, Wing Chun, street fighting, Jeet Kune Do, and Kali.... nothing new... just a mixture of shit and perrformed quickly. Aren't all martial
arts supposed to do that?BE FAST! This doesn't seem like a revolution if you ask me.
As for screen fighting... have to see the movie to judge that.. practice drills don't convince me of anything.
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Posts: 1641 (07/27/08 21:48:53) Sidekick |
This more proves the point.
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Posts: 2648 (07/29/08 18:06:03) Action Hero |
After watching Dark Knight an hour ago.... Batman doesn't even do anything like this. Basically he punches people and throws them.... nothing wrong with
it. But they are trying to promoting martial arts when he really isn't doing anything other than your standard brawl. This is a pretty lame publicity.
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Posts: 1799 (07/29/08 18:53:52) Action Hero |
I feel like you are taking it a TAD bit personally Darren. Calm down. The movie was made to make people happy, not to offend them, and for the most part it
has done that just fine as of now, almost overwhelmingly so, even.
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Posts: 2727 (07/29/08 21:45:31) Action Superstar! |
How can you not see the influences? The way he moves is identical to the strikes these guys demonstrate.
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Posts: 1758 (07/29/08 22:19:48) Action Hero |
Just because Batman doesn't throw a single kick doesn't mean he isn't doing martial arts. A lot of Batman's techniques are martial arts
driven. Most notably, Jeet Kun Do, which the fighting style derived from. Take down an opponent in less moves as possible. The movie reminds me of a Korean
cinema style fight.
Yeah, don't take it personally Darren. It's a martial art, plain and simple. Might not be cool looking to you, but it is what it is. 
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Posts: 2649 (07/29/08 22:56:18) Action Hero |
DragonfighterX wrote:
Not from what I saw.... Batman pretty much grabbed people's arms and then either chucked them or punched them... these guys at least did a few various movements. Is the choreography bad... no.... I still enjoyed the fights. The movements just looked street like.... but yeah similer to Jeet Kune Do... I'll give credit where credit is due. But these guys were making it out as if this was some brand new style no one has ever seen when really it was pretty much like any other up close upper body martial art like Kali, Wing chun, San Soo, or JKD... nothing wrong with it... it was the publicity that bothered me because when I hear someone claiming they have made a new style their better be something new to it.... in this case.. nothing I hadn't already either trained in or seen and I train in mostly traditional styles. I didn't take it personal... I never put one word in all caps or had one exclamation mark. I wasn't angry about any of it nor did I make any inclination I was.
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Posts: 2631 (07/30/08 08:43:38) Action Superstar! |
I think it's pretty clear he's not just street fighting by the stance and moves he performs, there's clearly a method to it. It wasn't very
clear because of the camerawork, but in The Dark Knight it's very obvious. In Mission Impossible 3, you can also see Tom Cruise doing some Keysi at the end
of the movie.
There's also a deleted scene where he uses it http://youtube.com/watch?v=jvUbNrDaA04
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Posts: 7021 (07/30/08 09:06:17) Administrator |
I think every martial art does the whole "we're a complete system" superiority thing when they first start getting media attention. It'll be
in a Bond movie, and then everyone will do Keysi fight scenes. Parkour will lose it fad-dom.
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Posts: 2729 (07/30/08 09:09:23) Action Superstar! |
darrenh7 wrote: Well, realistically, you're not going to find many arts designed for actual combat that are radically different from one another. A punch is a punch, a
kick is a kick. Same thing Bruce was saying 40 years ago. I'm not really sure what you were expecting. Did you see this demo before you watched The Dark
Knight and then just move-spot?
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Posts: 2650 (07/30/08 10:47:11) Action Hero |
DragonfighterX wrote: I know realistically you can't make something different..... but it's the idea they were making it out as if they have. This media grabbing statement that they have a new method is ridiculous.At least Bruce Lee was simplifying it down 40 years ago. That was new for the time. You really can't make anything new now... which is fine.... I just hate when people go off claiming about a new system that isn't any different than a few styles I have already mentioned showing vast similarities to it.
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Posts: 2731 (07/30/08 10:53:51) Action Superstar! |
So let me ask you this--why are you studying five different styles? You could easily learn to take care of yourself just training in any of them individually,
but you choose to do several. It doesn't make sense if you look at it like they're all basically good for the same thing. But they all have different
methods (hence Keysi being referred to as one as opposed to a "style"), different nuances of movement, different outlooks and ways of doing the same
basic things.
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