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DragonfighterX wrote:

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I agree with Derek. Casino Royale definitely outclassed the other Bond films because frankly, it didn't make an ass out of itself. The James Bond films, to me, have always been like that one guy in the group that thinks he's really cool and funny, when in actuality people just think he's ridiculous and are laughing at him, not with him. They're both fun, but don't really have a whole lot of substance. Casino Royale depicted a much more realistic, while still stylized and entertaining, portrayal of a "super spy." Instead of just walking around in a tuxedo flirting with women, being a smartass, and winning fights with a karate chop, Daniel Craig's Bond was the cynical hardass that it would take to be a real spy of any kind of quality. He had a whole wardrobe, an incredible arsenal of deadly athletic skills, and well, he was still a smartass. He solved problems with his wits and his balls (literally).

As for the fights, shame on you. Casino Royale has some of my favorite non-Asian fight scenes of all time. It's not a martial arts movie... you shouldn't expect everything you watch to be loaded with fights, Darren. But there were fights, damn good ones, and there were foot chases and car chases and shootouts and weapons fights and hot girls and fast cars... what the hell is there to complain about?!

I also feel like it's the best James Bond story. While not really all that plausible, it performed its duty with a kind of unabashed humor and didn't get just plain ridiculous like some other Bond movies, with secret bases inside volcanoes and in outer space and with people with metal teeth and such. It was just lowkey enough for the viewer not to be rolling their eyes the entire time and still crazy enough to put Bond into all the situations he needs to get out of.

AND I LOVE IT G'DAMMIT.

It's all about suspension of disbelief.... the Bond films stopped being realistic after From Russia With Love.... they are fun that way. No martial arts... Bond used Jujitsu since Dr. No.... Goldfinger has a whole conversation about Judo. I didn't say there were no fights... I actually like the hand to hand fighting in Casino Royale... but they were so far and few between. Seriously... who can't me films like this suck. Goldfinger The Spy Who Loved Me Man with the Golden Gun You Only Live Twice GoldenEye Live and Let Die From Russia With Love Thunder Ball These were all over the top in action and yet some of these are the classic Bond films. It's what makes them charming. They took the secret agent angle and made it a fun little action film where different rules apply and realism isn't the focus.... not every film has to be realistic... lots work as escapism and were merely sent out to entertain. Also remember the times Bond was made.... this over the topness was part of the 60s and 70s and really wasn't meant to be taken seriously. All the later ones thrived off that... you may not like films like Tomorrow Never Dies or Die Another Day... but those were true love letters to the hard core old school Bond fans like myself. These unrealistic qualities for Bond started after they couldn't get the rights to use the books anymore after Fleming died. So they had to make their own stories which was good because I hate all these adaptations from books that never do justice... so why not give them their own flare. That's what they did.... sure there are some real bad ones like World is not enough for your eyes only view to a kill (oh god!!!) license to kill (dear god!!!) Diamonds are forever But most of the bond films are entertaining and fun to watch as great thrill rides not as in detph spy dramas like bourne